Additions to the IOC Western Palearctic list
25 Jan 2020 14:12 #1720
by Adrian Kettle
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Nick that’s spot on but why would you choose a list for a particular area ie: British and put on birds from another country! One person has even put something on from the USA!
Put on what you like but stick to the rules of the particular list you are on or it doesn’t make sense
I personally keep myown list on a spreadsheet but my published lists obey the rules of that particular list. ie: British = BOU only.
Put on what you like but stick to the rules of the particular list you are on or it doesn’t make sense
I personally keep myown list on a spreadsheet but my published lists obey the rules of that particular list. ie: British = BOU only.
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26 Jan 2020 13:17 - 26 Jan 2020 16:27 #1721
by Paul Chapman
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There are two separate things here. On geography, it is clear that you should only include sightings for the relevant geographic area. It amused me tremendously seeing people who had lectured me on twitching foreign countries and lists actually twitching the Isle of Man Calandria Lark when they had always been 'Britain only'.
But otherwise, the recent taxonomic changes where the restrictive approach to identification or knowledge of diagnostic characters is limited has left many of us feeling out of kilter with BBRC and BOURC approaches. Every split seems to produce positions where notwithstanding that I had previously endeavoured to satisfy myself on the (sub)specific status of birds that I had seen, the official position is indecision, confusion, restrictive criteria and constant amendment.
In such circumstances, people who get excited about other people's personal views and lists just look a bit daft!
The Fea's Petrel removal is an interesting example. I had seen a Fea's/Zino's indeterminate well from a boat that seemed an obvious Fea's to me as well as an accepted Fea's Petrel. It bothered me not a jot that others counted 'official' indeterminates as Fea's Petrels as indeed I ticked my 'official' indeterminate. My money is on our birds being Fea's Petrels not Desertas in any event.
I am happier that the Llandudno bird was a West African Crested Tern and the Kerry bird was an (American) Royal Tern than I am that I have seen wild Canvasback and Redhead.....
Apologies to Graeme for the hijack and thanks to both him and Andy/Bubo. Now updated my lists.
All the best
Paul
But otherwise, the recent taxonomic changes where the restrictive approach to identification or knowledge of diagnostic characters is limited has left many of us feeling out of kilter with BBRC and BOURC approaches. Every split seems to produce positions where notwithstanding that I had previously endeavoured to satisfy myself on the (sub)specific status of birds that I had seen, the official position is indecision, confusion, restrictive criteria and constant amendment.
In such circumstances, people who get excited about other people's personal views and lists just look a bit daft!
The Fea's Petrel removal is an interesting example. I had seen a Fea's/Zino's indeterminate well from a boat that seemed an obvious Fea's to me as well as an accepted Fea's Petrel. It bothered me not a jot that others counted 'official' indeterminates as Fea's Petrels as indeed I ticked my 'official' indeterminate. My money is on our birds being Fea's Petrels not Desertas in any event.
I am happier that the Llandudno bird was a West African Crested Tern and the Kerry bird was an (American) Royal Tern than I am that I have seen wild Canvasback and Redhead.....
Apologies to Graeme for the hijack and thanks to both him and Andy/Bubo. Now updated my lists.
All the best
Paul
Last edit: 26 Jan 2020 16:27 by Paul Chapman.
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14 Sep 2020 20:46 - 17 Sep 2020 11:56 #1808
by Graeme Joynt
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No less than 6 additions to the IOC Western Pal list added recently:
Short-tailed Shearwater - Ireland and France
White-chinned Petrel - Scotland
Audubon's Shearwater - specimen from Denmark
Bay-backed Shrike - Kuwait, Sept 2020
Preuss's Cliff Swallow - Cape Verde, Sept 2020
Yellow-bellied Flycatcher - Scotland, Sept 2020
Not many will be able to tick most of them though!
Cheers, Graeme Joynt
Short-tailed Shearwater - Ireland and France
White-chinned Petrel - Scotland
Audubon's Shearwater - specimen from Denmark
Bay-backed Shrike - Kuwait, Sept 2020
Preuss's Cliff Swallow - Cape Verde, Sept 2020
Yellow-bellied Flycatcher - Scotland, Sept 2020
Not many will be able to tick most of them though!
Cheers, Graeme Joynt
Last edit: 17 Sep 2020 11:56 by Graeme Joynt. Reason: Another addition!
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21 Dec 2021 16:31 - 21 Dec 2021 16:33 #1884
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Warbling Vireo added to the IOC Western Palearctic list; one was on Corvo, Azores in Oct 2021.
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05 Apr 2022 18:53 #1917
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Horned Puffin has been added to the WP list. One photographed off Norway in 2009 has recently been accepted by the Norwegian RC.
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03 Aug 2022 18:31 #1932
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Arabian Serin has been added to the WP list. This follows the discovery of breeding birds in the Gulf of Aqaba, within the WP section of Saudi Arabia.
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03 Aug 2022 18:51 #1933
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African Reed Warbler has been removed from the WP list as IOC have now lumped it with Eurasian Reed Warbler.
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09 Aug 2022 08:19 #1936
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The claim of Arabian Serin apparently relates to a misidentification, so this species has been removed from the list.
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09 Aug 2022 20:52 #1937
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Desert Whitethroat has been added to the WP list. IOC describe the wintering grounds as Arabia to India, with range maps indicating passage through Kuwait and Iraq.
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16 Sep 2022 16:24 #1947
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Abdim's Stork has been added to the Western Palearctic list. One was photographed in Tunisia in July 2022.
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