normal New IOC Western Palearctic list

6 months 3 weeks ago #1442 by Steve Lister
Thanks for adding this new list, but why does it use American names such as Common Murre etc for what is not an American list? I know the IOC may use these names but do you have to follow?
And I have noticed some odd decisions regarding the 'R' category indicating WP rarities. Not been all the way through yet - for some reason entering species one at a time is very slow, much more so than usual - but Blue-cheeked Bee-eater is not a WP rarity (think Morocco, Turkey, Israel etc) but I would suggest Reed Cormorant is.
And will the AERC WP list have to change now that the British influence is different?

Steve Lister
6 months 3 weeks ago - 6 months 3 weeks ago #1443 by Mike Prince
These aren't actually American names as such, these are the IOC's "International English" names. We don't have to follow but we're not an authority ourselves and don't want to be in the business of arbitrarily deciding the best names to use. Having said that, if an international name really isn't in common usage within the region in question (i.e. WP here) then we can easily override it with a more appropriate one.

Since there is no official determination of rarity status then we (thanks to Graham Joynt and Chris Bell) have come up with a list we thought appropriate. This is of course subjective, and we can easily make changes. We'd rather add rarities than remove one, because it makes lists more interesting reading when dates and locations are provided. I've made Reed Cormorant a rarity now.

I'm not sure if the AERC will maintain their list in the future: we won't make changes unless they do.

We can use this thread to suggest any specific changes to species names or rarity statuses.
Last edit: 6 months 3 weeks ago by Mike Prince.
6 months 3 weeks ago #1444 by Graeme Joynt
Hi Mike (and Steve)

The rarity codes are certainly not without fault and were a 'best effort'. As Mike, says they can be changed as we go along, we just wanted to get something up and running.

Mike, I forgot to include Double-crested Cormorant, so could you make that an R too?

Many thanks again, Graeme Joynt
6 months 2 weeks ago #1449 by Jon Clark
Hi, I've just transferred my AERC list over to this IOC one to be consistent with my other lists & just have a question re the UAE - should this be in or out? Some people appear to have included it in their lists but not all species are available eg. Grey Francolin, Himalayan Bulbul...
Thanks :)
6 months 2 weeks ago #1450 by Graeme Joynt
The boundary is the BWP version, so most of the Arabian Peninsular is out. The scope of the listing region is detailed at the top of the list itself. I've reproduced it below:

The IOC Western Palearctic list uses a subset of species from the complete world taxonomy maintained by the IOC and which is updated regularly at . As from 1 January 2018, this is exactly the same taxonomy used for the official BOU British List.
The geographical limits of the Western Palearctic are as defined by the nine-volume Birds of the Western Palearctic - basically Europe, North Africa and a block of the Middle East roughly south and east to Kuwait, but not including Iran nor anywhere east of the Urals and Caspian Sea. For more precise definitions, see BWP.
This is the most up to date Western Palearctic list, and is the recommended one to use for Western Palearctic lists on BUBO Listing.

Cheers, Graeme Joynt
6 months 2 weeks ago #1451 by Jon Clark
Thanks very much Graeme, much appreciated.
6 months 2 weeks ago #1452 by Nick Watmough
Many thanks for all those involved in this initiative. Copying my AERC based WP list was very straightforward and the notes as to what needed to manually updated were clear. I did encounter one gremlin - see attached. Something that probably speaks volumes about a rather strange omission on my own WP list!

With all best wishes for a bird rich 2018.

6 months 2 weeks ago #1459 by Mike Prince
Thanks for the misplaced Scops, now fixed!
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