Re:Portugal list

The Portugal list we plan to use (when we get time to convert it to a format suitable for BUBO Listing) is available from the Portuguese Rarities Committee .

Common species:
birdwatching.spea.pt/ListaEspeciesPt.pdf
birdwatching.spea.pt/PortugueseBirdList.pdf (same in Portuguese)

Rarities:
www.spea.pt/docs/raridades/portugal%20continental_cpr_1.4.pdf

Your birdwatching.spea.pt/ListaEspeciesPt.pdf mentioned above is attached in Excel format.

Will that do?

The rarities list above, www.spea.pt/docs/raridades/portugal%20continental_cpr_1.4.pdf , is now also attached as a XLS file.

NB: I have moved the five subspecies for which the PT Rarities Ctee accepts records to the TOP of the file.

Hi Julio - that's really helpful, thanks. I'll try to get this loaded up onto BUBO shortly

Cheers

Andy

Thanks again Júlio, we really welcome any help we can get with getting new official checklists on BUBO Listing.

Portugal is now top of our to do list!

I'd think that once your website's profile is raised in Portugal SPEA/BirdLife would send you any updates to the list(s) in spreadsheet format. I'm just guessing, but certainly they have them in XLS and certainly they'd (we'd, I'm a member too) find it pursuant to their interests to disseminate such lists as widely as possible.

Lists for the Azores islands and for the Madeira islands are usually handled separately from Mainland Portugal by SPEA/BirdLife, but we can look into that some other time perhaps.

So, do get on with the lists because I've a feature list like a train of Gannets passing through our shores in Spring! The list was the leading adult

Once we have a list online it's not too much effort for us to add new species when they are required. With so many different authorities though it's difficult for us to keep tabs on the latest versions. Generally we rely on users to notify us when they are aware of a change to an authority list they use. This also enables us to add 'provisional' species ahead of official acceptance by the authorities. This is great for most listers, although does mean we have to be unpopular occasionally by removing records if they are subsequently rejected!

Júlio Reis wrote:

I've a feature list like a train of Gannets passing through our shores in Spring!

Well in that case our existing feature list is a winter Starling roost!
We haven't had too much time to add new features recently but do have lots of good ideas. So we'd be delighted to hear yours which will help us prioritise future development.

Hi Julio

I made a start at converting your Portugal base list for BUBO, but could I ask you to check a few queries for us please? There are a number of species present in both the main list and in the rarity list, i.e.

Anthus cervinus
Anthus petrosus
Apus caffer
Branta bernicla
Fulica cristata
Gavia immer
Gavia stellata
Larus argentatus
Larus sabini
Oceanodroma castro
Phalaropus lobatus
Porzana pusilla
Pterocles alchata
Sterna dougallii

For these, could you clarify whether they should be flagged as rare or not? (If we do flag them as rare, then listers will need to enter a date and location).

The other awkward job for me to do then is to merge the two lists in such a way that they are ordered taxonomically (e.g. merge the rare ducks appropriately in amongst the common ducks).

Thanks

Andy

Andy Musgrove wrote:

Anthus cervinus
Anthus petrosus
Apus caffer
Branta bernicla
Fulica cristata
Gavia immer
Gavia stellata
Larus argentatus
Larus sabini
Oceanodroma castro
Phalaropus lobatus
Porzana pusilla
Pterocles alchata
Sterna dougallii

Hi

Just to help a litle, all the species are rarities except Oceanodroma castro this species is a scarce breeder but not a true rarity, the status of Pterocles alchata is also not clear to me, is a very rare breeder but...


Also, please don't forget the C category species:

Acridotheres cristatellus
Estrilda astrild
Amandava amandava
Ploceus melanocephalus
Euplectes afer
Psittacula krameri
Lonchura malacca


Pedro Ramalho

Thanks Pedro

It looks like I should probably flag all of those as rare - it just means that Portugal listers will have to provide a date and location for those species.

Good point about the introduced species. Common Waxbill is on the SPEA list, but the others are not. So, should we include them or not? I suggest that I add them as "pending" species for now, which means they are not on the official base-list but we think they probably will be soon. Does that sound like a reasonable solution?

Thanks again

Andy

OK, Portugal List now available (and tested with my own tiny Portugal list). Let me know if you find any mistakes. Have fun, and please spread the word to any other Portuguese bird listers!

Cheers

Andy

Andy Musgrove wrote:

Good point about the introduced species. Common Waxbill is on the SPEA list, but the others are not. So, should we include them or not? I suggest that I add them as "pending" species for now, which means they are not on the official base-list but we think they probably will be soon.

Hi

Regarding the introduced species it´s a solution, the problem it Spea is that they don't really like the introduced species, i think they just don't want to recognised that this species will be in Portugal for the foreseeable future.

Another problem that i detect is the omission of Anthus richardi from the Spea list, this species was a rarity in Portugal, but now is a rare passage migrant or a "winter bird", apparently wen it stop to be considered a rarity Spea forgot to put the bird in the regular list, so the bird is stuck in limbo...

Thanks Pedro - Richard's Pipit now also added as a pending species for Portugal.

Andy

Hello Andy

The Portuguese list suffered a update: www.spea.pt/pdfs/LISTA_AvesPTC_Anuario5.pdf

In the annex file is the full list in a excel file, if you have the time can you make the update?

Cumprimentos

Pedro Ramalho

Thanks very much indeed Pedro. I'll certainly update with this in the next few weeks (I'm afraid this week is looking unlikely at present though)

Cheers

Andy

Andy Musgrove wrote:

Thanks very much indeed Pedro. I'll certainly update with this in the next few weeks (I'm afraid this week is looking unlikely at present though)

Cheers

Andy

Hi

I know that the bubo team has a lot to do, this post is just a reminder, when you have time, don’t forget of the updates to the Portuguese list.

Thanks

SORRY Pedro, must have completely overlooked this. I normally leave these in my inbox. I'm off on the ferry across the Bay of Biscay from tomorrow but will try to tackle this next week. (I know, I said that last year!)

Cheers

Andy

Hi Pedro (and others)

At long last, I've made the changes to the Portugal list for BUBO Listing as you requested. I'm sorry it has taken so long to do this - I guess a new update will probably be here before very long?!

Let me know if you spot any mistakes

P.S. Your link www.spea.pt/pdfs/LISTA_AvesPTC_Anuario5.pdf seems to be broken now? Is there another link? Or could someone send us the pdf to listing@bubo.org? Thanks.

Best wishes

Andy

Hi Andy

A new update will be published next year, some new species ill be included and I hope that some of the species under consideration (some of them are under considerations since the beginning of the Portuguese rarity committee) will be accepted or rejected.

The link was removed it the site restructuration (and unfortunately I dint save the original pdf after I converted to xls), instead they placed a link to the sites Aves de Portugal, that have the complete list, but not in a useable manner, the link is only available in the Portuguese version of the Spea site.

www.spea.pt/pt/observar-aves/as-nossas-aves/aves-em-portugal/

OK thanks Pedro - I'll use that link for now

Hi

I finally found the original pdf file, the list is of course from 2005 so some species are missing, but a update is expected in 2011.

Thanks Pedro - I've added this link and this information to the "Checklists" section of the website - let us know when the 2011 update becomes available.

Best wishes for 2011

Andy

Andy Musgrove wrote:

Thanks Pedro - I've added this link and this information to the "Checklists" section of the website - let us know when the 2011 update becomes available.

Hi Andy
The CPR (Portuguese rarity committee) report for the 2008-2009 years was published recently.

www.spea.pt/fotos/editor2/spea_anuario_o...atorio_cpr_p3_71.pdf

Intro in English

There were some minor changes to the Portuguese list, basically some of the pending species were officially accepted, some new species that were found in 2009 entered the list, and two former rarities were “promoted” to common birds, also in my personal opinion some of the pending species can be removed of the Bubo list because there are no accepted records and there are no pending records for the species.

So, the species that are no longer rarities are:
Pin-tailed Sandgrouse (Pterocles alchata) and White-rumped Swift (Apus caffer)

New species for the Portuguese list:
Falcão-sacre, Saker Falcon (Falco cherrug)
Maçarico-d'asa-branca, Willet (Catoptrophorus semipalmatus)
Chasco-do-deserto, Desert Wheatear (Oenanthe deserti)


The pending species that were fully accepted are:
Common Goldeneye (Bucephala clangula)
Wood Warbler (Phylloscopus sibilatrix)
Moussieri redstart (Phoenicurus moussieri)
Wilson snipe (Gallinago delicata)
Little crake (Porzana parva)

The following species are in the Portuguese list but pending a review of the existing records (in most cases some very old records, single observer, no photos etc..) but none of this records are currently accepted by the CPR and there are no “file” in the CPR regarding this species,

(Current table for pending species and records under appraisal can be found here:
www.spea.pt/fotos/editor2/tabeladeregistosnaopubl2.pdf )

Other species that have only old records and have a pending status have a process in the CPR ( Citril finch Serinus citronella for example) or there are historically evidence that they occurred in Portugal despite the fact that for now there is a apparently lack of interest to reach a conclusion over this records (Spotted Nutcracker Nucifraga caryocatactes for instance have 4 records in the XX century, including 2 shot birds and a trapped and ringed individual), for this species I defend their continued inclusion on the Bubo list as Pending species, however for the following species the situation is different, and their full inclusion in the Portuguese list don’t seems probable in the near future, therefore I suggested that they are removed from the Bubo listing, if in the future the CPR decides to look at the situation and included this species in the official list so much the better. , but for now I feel that is simpler to remove them.

Thrush Nightingale (Luscinia luscinia)
Great Grey Shrike (Lanius excubitor)
Black Woodpecker (Dryocopus martius)
Middle Spotted Woodpecker (Dendrocopos medius)

When I was checking the Bubo list, I also spotted one mistake, it’s not Whooper swan that is pending but Bewick swan Cygnus columbianus (so it’s the reverse from the list in Bubo).

Hi

Since updates in the various national lists are in the order of the day, please don’t forget the updates of the Portuguese list.

Hi Pedro

Your patience has been rewarded I have pushed your updates to the top of the priority list! I've made the updates you summarised: thanks very much for the effort in analysing the changes for us.

(We're trying to make the job of applying updates a bit easier by making some behind the scenes changes - do let me know if you see any oddities in the updates I've made for Portugal!)

Thanks Mike, i really appreciate the effort.

Hi Mike

I know that you guys have a lot of work to keep the list up to date but when you have time can you add the following species to the Portuguese list?


Acepted Pilrito-de-bico-fino Baird's sandpiper Calidris bairdii

Pending Mariquita-de-mascarilha Common yellowthroat Geothlypis trichas
Pending Felosa-artica Artic warbler Phylloscopus borealis
Pending Garajau elegante Elegant Tern Sterna elegans
Pending Pilrito-de-perna-longa Stilt Sandpiper Calidris himantopus
Pending Tartaranhão palido Pallid Harrier Circus macrourus

Hi Pedro - please don't fall off your chair with surprise, but I have sorted this straight away for once! Tick away.

Thanks for your help!

Andy

Andy Musgrove wrote:

Hi Pedro - please don't fall off your chair with surprise, but I have sorted this straight away for once! Tick away.

:laugh: :laugh:


Thanks Andy

Unfortunately just one more for me....

Hi guys,

A new species for Portugal (continental) Mergulhão-caçador/Podilymbus podiceps/Pied-billed Grebe appeared last week, so when there is some time can this species be added to the Spea Portuguese (continental) list?

Also, I’ve noted that for the British Ornithologists' Union (BOU) British List the B category species appear on the list but not on the check list, they are not targets, can the same thing be done to the Portuguese list?

If so the B categories species to be “removed” are:

B* Western Capercaillie/Tetrao urogallus/Tetraz-real
B* Grey Partridge/Perdix perdix/Charrela
B* White-tailed Eagle/Haliaeetus albicilla/Pigargo
B* Small Buttonquail/Turnix sylvaticus/Toirão
B* Slender-billed Curlew/Numenius tenuirostris/Maçarico-de-bico-fino
B* Marsh Owl/Asio capensis/Coruja-moura
B* Dupont's Lark/Chersophilus duponti/Calhandra de Dupont